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Hi there, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie, from and That’s wellness with an E on the tip. And this podcast is all about a tremendous story of overcoming most cancers and likewise about sexual well being and biohacking. I’m right here with Dr. Cabell Bawa, who’s a Board Licensed doctor and founding father of Bawa Medical and Chief Medical Officer on the New Wave. She is dedicated to her philosophy of rejuvenation from the within out. And on this episode, she shares her story of overcoming breast most cancers and likewise turning into a magnificence queen. And the rationale that she really did that and the way she used that platform to indicate her scars and to indicate her hair loss and all of the issues that got here alongside along with her most cancers analysis and to carry consciousness. She additionally talks quite a bit about some taboo matters. we discuss sexual well being fairly a bit and a few actually shocking statistics on well being and hormones associated to each women and men, and the way these change over time and with age, and likewise methods to assist enhance them. So, positively, a fact-packed episode, her story is basically unbelievable. And with out additional ado, let’s be a part of her.

Katie: Dr. Bawa, welcome, and thanks for being right here.

Dr. Bawa: Thanks for having me.

Katie: I’m so excited to listen to extra about your story and your experience as a result of it looks like you could have each private {and professional} expertise in a few areas which are extraordinarily relevant to lots of people proper now. However to start out broad, I’ve learn that you’ve a very, actually fascinating and superb story about overcoming most cancers, which as we all know, statistically is on the rise proper now and, sadly, many individuals will obtain a analysis of in some unspecified time in the future of their lives. After which not solely overcoming that, however turning that into one thing actually lovely and empowering and superb. So can we begin by studying just a little extra about you and your story?

Dr. Bawa: Sure. Thanks a lot for that. I used to be misdiagnosed with my breast most cancers for nearly three years. I initially found my lump once I was nonetheless in my late 30s and my gynecologist tried to blow me off and inform me that I actually didn’t meet conventional threat components, that I used to be nonetheless not 40, insurance coverage wouldn’t cowl it. And I used to be just a little perplexed as a result of I believed it was in regards to the affected person, not the, , the numbers. So it took quite a lot of convincing. I did get a mammogram, however then they misinterpret it. They received an ultrasound, however they misinterpret that too. And this occurred for a number of years in a row. So lastly, I insisted that there was one thing very flawed. They thought I used to be neurotic, and it was okay. I didn’t actually care at that time. I knew one thing was flawed and I needed to be an advocate for myself.

So at that time, I ended up going to a special hospital. I ended up going to the College of Miami Sylvester Most cancers Institute, and I can actually say that the docs there saved my life. So if we get nothing else from our time collectively, I need ladies and even males to know that after they really feel that there’s one thing flawed with them, that they have to insist and to not take it mendacity down, to not let anyone inform them that they’re being loopy, that they’re being hypochondriacs. When you now. And nonetheless, , this occurred to me and whereas this was not one thing that I anticipated, I had a selection. I may let most cancers defeat me or I may make it about one thing greater than myself. So, I, of all issues, determined to hitch a magnificence pageant. Now you could surprise why at age 43, I felt the necessity to be a part of a magnificence pageant. It’s as a result of I discovered as a most cancers affected person that my fellow most cancers sufferers had given up on themselves. They felt that most cancers was going to defeat them. And I actually consider that in case you assume it would defeat you, it completely will. You might be proper somehow.

So for me, I used to be by no means going to undergo most cancers. It needed to be about making one thing good come out of one thing horrible. And so, I made a decision to hitch Miss Florida to encourage most cancers sufferers to reside their finest life regardless of most cancers. To indicate them that pleasure mustn’t finish, and that they’re no much less lovely, even when they’ve scars, even when they lose their hair. So, I went on stage 4 weeks or so after my mastectomy. I had my scar seen, I refused to cowl it with make-up. It could have been simple to take action, however it was a matter of precept. I additionally went on stage with no extensions and no wig. I purchased a wig, I simply couldn’t carry myself to put on it as a result of I needed to talk my reality. And once I received Miss Florida, it was a giant win, not only for me, however for most cancers sufferers and people present process adversity of any sort. So, in so some ways, , my story has been discovered to be inspirational for that, and I’m very completely satisfied as a result of that’s what that is about.

Katie: That’s superb. And two issues actually stood out to me in that. The primary being the significance of advocating for ourselves on the subject of medical care. And I had an identical expertise in a a lot much less ominous analysis, however I, for years, knew one thing was flawed and would go to docs and ask for exams. And I suspected it was my thyroid. And equally was informed, “Nicely, you’re not in a high-risk group. All of these items are regular postpartum. Your ranges are high quality.” They usually had been solely testing, after all, sure ranges. And I needed to advocate for myself for a few years with a number of docs to lastly get a analysis that then helped me recuperate. And also you hear about this quite a bit within the medical world. And sadly, it looks like it usually occurs extra to ladies than males actually because I feel many research are achieved on males as a result of they’re simpler to review.

However I feel…I’m so glad you introduced that up as a result of I feel the perfect outcomes, and also you would possibly agree from a physician’s perspective, occur when you could have a affected person who’s invested and well-informed and advocating for themselves, and likewise desirous to work with a practitioner as a associate in enhancing their very own well being. And the opposite factor you stated that I feel is so necessary on this and in actually, each space of life is that mindset piece. And the concept in case you assume one thing will defeat you, it would. And likewise in case you have a constructive mindset, that goes such a great distance towards the restoration. How necessary do you assume that mindset piece was for you and for different folks in the identical scenario?

Dr. Bawa: I like what you stated as a result of so many docs aren’t testing you totally, even when they do check you. And I’m so completely satisfied that you simply had been an advocate for your self and also you discovered what was flawed. And so far as mindset is worried, mindset in my case was every part. And this may occasionally appear dramatic, however it is a true incident. I had some problems throughout my most cancers therapy and I used to be in my chemotherapy suite. My blood ranges had been tanking for lack of a greater phrase to say it. And considered one of my nurses began to cry. She simply felt horrible for me that I used to be taking two steps ahead and 5 steps again it appeared each time we rotated. And once I noticed tears in her eyes, I consoled her and I stated to her, “It’s okay. It actually is. I will probably be high quality. And never solely am I going to be high quality, in just some months, I’m going to be Miss Florida.” And he or she laughed as she cried. And that is an honest-to-goodness story. This actually occurred.

And I needed to clarify to her that I used to be not going there for a participation medal, I used to be in it to win it as a result of it was not value doing if it was not value doing totally and nicely. So, I hope that my story has despatched a bigger message to folks on the whole about mindset, about perseverance. And I feel that if I didn’t have that mindset, if I didn’t have that perseverance, I don’t know that I’d have made it so far as I did and had the result I did as a result of a lot of most cancers is miserable. I’m not saying that there wasn’t any melancholy on my finish, there was. I selected to not dwell on it. So I feel that’s the principle factor.

Katie: And I additionally love that you simply reframed that and didn’t conceal from the struggles or attempt to cowl the scars of that and let that truly be an outward, like, witness to your struggles in order that it may open a dialog about that. I feel usually in society, there are such…very outlined requirements of what female magnificence seems like and that stress to really feel good and to not have scars and to not have something that’s not thought of, , bodily good. And doubtless by doing that, you gave ladies freedom to be who they really are in so some ways, and to not have to keep up this phantasm of perfection. And from what I’ve learn, additionally that was a big a part of your cause for competing as nicely is that you simply had been capable of shine a highlight on different most cancers sufferers and on that as nicely, proper? You used your platform to carry quite a lot of consciousness there as nicely.

Dr. Bawa: Completely. I spoke on stage about how I used to be misdiagnosed. I needed to lift consciousness for most cancers misdiagnosis, in addition to inform most cancers sufferers that life doesn’t finish with a most cancers analysis, that there’s a lot stuff to stay up for. Now, occurring stage and the gown I selected and with the hair and make-up I selected was a press release. I didn’t select a gown that coated my chest. I may have. There are numerous robes I may have worn which are completely lovely that didn’t present my scars, that didn’t present my uneven breast measurement. However I went on stage as is. I used to be fully uneven. Issues had not been finalized but with my second surgical procedure. I nonetheless haven’t had it, however I didn’t let that govern my selection of gown. This was about, once more, one thing greater than myself. So, I went there with my uneven cleavage, my scar seen, and quick hair with some areas that had been extra thinning than others. And this was necessary to me as a result of I don’t need folks to assume that most cancers just isn’t lovely. Most cancers is simply as lovely as the rest. And I feel that that was an important message to ship to the world. And I feel it’s a message that resonated. My win redefined magnificence after most cancers.

Katie: And I can solely think about how to start with overwhelming a most cancers analysis should really feel. And I hear from folks, sadly, like I stated, most cancers appears to be on the rise throughout the board, who obtain a analysis and, , overwhelmed and surprise the place to even begin searching for assets. So I’m curious if there have been issues that had been useful to you in establishing that mindset piece if you had been going by that and/or that helped issues to do to bodily help your self by that course of and to ensure your physique was nourished and capable of recuperate?

Dr. Bawa: You already know, it’s fascinating how life labored out for me. I used to be probably not…as a part of my medical observe, I based and owned Bawa Medical in Boca Raton. It’s a wellness and rejuvenation-based observe. After I began this, once I conceived this observe, I used to be not considering of most cancers. I used to be not considering of what a most cancers affected person wants for help but satirically, my life took that path. So, in my case, I used to be very fortunate. I didn’t need to go exterior to look for lots of the issues I wanted. I may do IV remedy in my very own workplace as a result of I discovered it useful. Additionally, chemotherapy is so nauseating, you may’t eat nicely, your dietary stage goes down at a degree if you want a better dietary stage to battle that illness, to battle that chemo as a result of chemo is doing fairly a quantity on you, it’s a poison, primarily. You want it. I extremely suggest it. It saved my life, however it’s a poison. Let’s not neglect that. So, how do you counteract that? I had IV remedy.

The opposite factor that occurs with most cancers is hair loss. I’m a hair restoration specialist. So I used to be very fortunate in that sense that I used to be capable of do hair restoration inside my observe as a result of I really feel that most cancers hair loss is misunderstood. A lot of it’s about hair restoration the place in so many instances, it needs to be about hair loss prevention. No one thinks of it that manner, even my very own pals stated I used to be being ridiculous that I ought to settle for it gracefully. They informed me I used to be being, , very superficial. And I stated, “It’s not about being superficial. It’s about combating it when you may battle it.” When I’ve instruments, why not use them? So I did a bunch of various issues in my observe and I by no means went bald regardless of very sturdy chemotherapy. The chemotherapy I underwent was a mixture of Taxol and Adriamycin and Cytoxan. To anyone who does most cancers remedies or has gone by most cancers remedies, they understand how sturdy that chemotherapy routine is but I by no means got here near being bald. I misplaced the size, by no means the precise hair, , on my head. So did that.

I additionally did pores and skin remedies at my very own observe as a result of chemotherapy causes quite a lot of pores and skin harm and hyperpigmentation. So regardless of how a lot sunscreen I used, I nonetheless had quite a lot of pores and skin harm. So, quite a lot of that I discovered I used to be uniquely positioned to assist myself. So this isn’t a plug for my observe in any manner. You requested how I received by it, a lot of it’s due to what I do for a dwelling anyway. Now, how different folks would get by it, I extremely suggest that they attain out to their oncologist, ask for the assets close to them. Perhaps there’s a observe like me close to them. Perhaps there may be anyone who may help them save their hair. Perhaps there may be somebody who may help them with wellness and IVs and, , serving to them with chemo-related pores and skin modifications and issues like that. As a result of, , it’s very miserable if you look within the mirror and also you don’t seem like your self anymore. It’s not about being superficial, you virtually don’t acknowledge who you might be. And there’s one thing to be stated for attempting to keep up what you may of your self by all of it.

I imply, there was a degree I had no eyebrows and no eyelashes. So I made a decision it was about mindset. I didn’t need to settle for that. So, I really went out and developed a product to develop lashes and brows that’s wholesome, that doesn’t change your eye shade and do harm to the pores and skin round your eyes. As a result of a lot of what’s on the market also can do harm. Folks don’t discuss it. Like Latisse, does it work? Completely. However it may well trigger some modifications within the shade of your eye, as an illustration. No one talks about that a part of it. So I made a decision that most cancers was going to be one thing that simply was constructive in each manner for me. So I even went and developed a pure product that I now have in my observe for that. So, a lot of that, , I used to be so fortunate, however I do suggest that they attain out to social employees, they attain out to help teams, and in my case, to pals. My household doesn’t reside right here. My household’s abroad. So my pals had been my tribe. They had been those who helped me by all of it. My buddy, Carmen, picked me up from chemo each single time. She simply took it upon herself. You already know, it takes a village. I used to be very fortunate to have a really supportive village.

Katie: That’s lovely. And I feel that additionally illustrates what appears to be a false dichotomy that generally occurs on the subject of most cancers therapy or any form of medical therapy. It looks like usually there’s a pressure between the traditional mannequin and the issues you might want to do medically and the wellness aspect. And it looks like the perfect outcomes really occur when somebody is ready to entry all of these issues, that it’s not an both/or, however very a lot a each/and. And that you are able to do issues which are supportive of your physique and likewise supportive of hopefully, the method of therapy and serving to your physique recuperate extra rapidly. However that’s a very unbelievable story that hopefully offers hope to anybody else who would possibly, sadly, be in the identical scenario. And also you talked about your observe, I’d like to delve into a few completely different areas right here as a result of I do know you’re employed with folks in a wide range of alternative ways.

However one other space I hear quite a bit from ladies about proper now and I’m wondering if COVID may be a contributing issue right here, however is sexual wellness. And it looks like there is a rise in sexual-related issues or simply libido and sexual satisfaction, particularly in ladies. I don’t know if that is present or in case you’ve possibly seen this for a very long time. So I’m curious in case you’re comfy sharing, in case you had any of these struggles if you went by your chemo journey, but additionally the ways in which you assist handle that in your sufferers.

Dr. Bawa: Sure. Now, vaginal well being is one thing I’m very keen about. I do quite a lot of intimate wellness for each women and men at my observe, and chemo and most cancers remedies, most cancers medicines, even after chemo may cause quite a lot of modifications in a girl’s hormonal steadiness. It threw me into menopause. So, , there’s quite a bit that goes flawed with most cancers and with ageing, on the whole. In my case, it was simply amplified due to the most cancers. However vaginal well being is one thing that may be very ignored. Ladies take higher care of their vehicles than they do their vaginas, sadly. And I’m right here once more as an advocate for good vaginal well being. And like I stated about hair loss on the subject of most cancers, why are we reacting? Why are we not stopping? I’m all about prevention as a substitute of therapy. So, I encourage ladies to return get vaginal rejuvenation at a youthful age. So a lot of my sufferers say, “Nicely, I’m not that dangerous but.” And I’m telling you, it makes my head spin as a result of I need to clarify to ladies world wide that they should maintain themselves sooner.

Should you handle the issue earlier, youthful, you could have higher outcomes long-term. Your vagina will age in a different way. It’s not simply your face that’s ageing, it’s your vagina as nicely. So I’m very huge in my observe on FemiWave. It’s acoustic wave remedy, actually utilizing sound waves to carry higher blood movement into your vaginal space, on the whole, not simply your clitoris, your labia, your pelvic ground, all of it wants good blood movement. So this breaks down blockages and blood vessels like plaques. You already know, it’s not simply your coronary heart and the arteries in your coronary heart which have blockages as you grow old, blood vessels in every single place develop blockages. So that is to advertise good, wholesome blood movement. And that makes your pelvic ground stronger, which is one other factor that goes with age and childbirth and every part else. I’m not saying that we’re curing incontinence, we’re definitely making a giant stride in the direction of minimizing it with this.

So I like to recommend it to ladies of all ages. It additionally makes ladies extraordinarily orgasmic, which is only a fantastic plus level with it. So, we do O-Photographs at our observe, however we additionally do FemiWave due to the fantastic, fantastic results we’ve with it. And there’s little question, and that’s the fantastic thing about it. We do vaginal laser rejuvenation as nicely at my observe with CO2. Now I’m not by any means saying something damaging about CO2, there’s a time and place for it. However I discover that FemiWave is one thing that helps ladies throughout the board. I actually have an issue attempting to even inform you as a girl it is not going to work. And what? Usually the query is, “Who will it assist?” I feel the query with FemiWave is completely different, “Who will it not assist?” And I actually can’t consider anybody it wouldn’t assist in some form or type. In order that’s one thing that I’m very completely satisfied to be doing. And we at the moment are a middle of excellence with each FemiWave for ladies and GAINSWave for males. And I really feel that we’re doing a lot good to society, on the whole, by serving to folks this manner.

Katie: So that you talked about that like that ageing course of occurs there as nicely, particularly simply as part of regular ageing. And I do know ladies report extra pelvic ground points, particularly after childbirth, which makes full sense as a result of there’s some intense trauma that may occur throughout childbirth for lots of girls. And I assume that this additionally impacts the sexual expertise fairly a bit and sexual well being that manner. Are there different components, like as an illustration, you talked about that that form of pulled you into menopause? I do know menopause usually impacts sexual well being for ladies. Are these items that you simply do in your workplace capable of assist form of handle the, like, sexual satisfaction aspect of that even after menopause for ladies?

Dr. Bawa: Sure. What I do may be very complete. I really feel the completely different elements of what I do are very synergistic with one another. As an illustration, I don’t simply do hormone substitute, I wish to name it hormone balancing as a result of there’s an imbalance in lots of points of our life as we age, as we battle completely different ailments. In my case, it was most cancers, however in your case it’s thyroid illness. It’s no much less traumatic to your system. So I attempt to optimize well being. I attempt to optimize wellness, on the whole. So I wish to take my sufferers and see them as the larger image, not only one a part of what I’m doing. So I’d optimize your hormones. I’d optimize your diet and your metabolic scenario with IV remedy. I’d do, , GAINSWave in case you’re a person, I do FemiWave in case you’re a girl. These are issues that assist everybody. I can’t think about providing you with a subset that it might not assist. In some form or type, it would assist everybody. After which I fine-tune it additional. Does anyone want, , as an illustration, a vaginal laser? We are able to all the time try this. Do the lads want some form of remedy? We are able to try this. So I feel that this needs to be seen as an even bigger image and never bits and items.

Katie: I agree. It looks like the perfect outcomes in any realm occur if you handle the physique as a complete and work and help its pure processes versus countering them. In that realm, are there issues that you simply discovered useful personally or that you simply suggest to your sufferers that they will do at residence which are supportive, whether or not it’s sure dietary practices? I do know prefer it looks like sleep and hydration are throughout the board all the time good suggestions. I’m but to have anybody in 500 friends on this podcast say sleep just isn’t necessary and hydration doesn’t matter, however are there belongings you encourage your sufferers to do to assist enhance the consequences of those remedies and likewise that had been useful to you if you had been going by your journey?

Dr. Bawa: After all, mindset was the primary factor for me. I felt that something I may do to calm my thoughts was useful. I feel meditation is underrated. I don’t assume that it’s a must to sit for an hour and, , stare on the area to meditate. I feel meditation will be various things to completely different folks. The concept is to calm your thoughts. If that’s by taking a stroll, if that’s by listening to a bit of music you discover soothing. It doesn’t matter what it’s, I feel you might want to calm your thoughts and discover steadiness inside your self above all. After which I feel that hydration is an excellent factor. As you talked about, hydration is a fundamental factor. In case you are not hydrated, then nothing works nicely. Your pores and skin, your well being, on the whole, nothing works nicely with out hydration. Nutritionally, I’m not telling you it’s a must to eat natural, it’s not all the time possible, however no matter you’re consuming, I do suggest attempting your finest to have a extra inclusive weight-reduction plan, extra fruit and veggies, not taking any group out of your weight-reduction plan.

As an illustration, chemo can result in quite a lot of weight achieve. It’s a fallacy when folks assume that each one most cancers sufferers drop extra pounds. Some achieve. I did. So I feel the thought is to not say that, “Oh, let me do keto. I’ll drop extra pounds,” or let me do that or that, I’ll drop extra pounds. I feel a balanced, nutritious diet with wise parts is necessary. It’s a boring factor to say, I do know. There’s nothing dramatic about what I’m saying, however that’s necessary. Steadiness is necessary in each facet. After which, after all, I feel when you’ll find a physician close to you who may help you with the issues that helped me. I used to be fortunate, I occurred to be doing this anyway. All I needed to do was come to work and, , all of this was accessible to me, however search out practitioners who consider in a holistic lifestyle, who’ve of their observe one thing that may assist you. Now, sexually, as an illustration, we’ve talked about FemiWave. In case you are someplace the place you don’t have a FemiWave supplier, we also have a gadget. In the event that they contact us, we will all the time ship it to them. It’s an at-home intimate wellness gadget that makes use of the identical idea of sound wave expertise and makes use of sound waves to interrupt up blockages and produce good blood movement into the vaginal space. It’s not as sturdy as what we do within the workplace, however it’s a beautiful adjunct for some other therapy or the rest you’re doing in your life. Should you can’t get to us personally, no less than use this at residence. It is extremely useful.

Katie: And I’m curious in case you can communicate to possibly in simply generalities or possibly particular instances with out utilizing figuring out particulars, however what sort of causes folks usually want these sorts of remedies? Like, I feel most individuals possibly don’t understand that you simply see these form of blockages in all tissue, not simply in your coronary heart, like folks perceive in that stage. However it might appear to be rising blood movement can be a reasonably dramatic shift. What sort of outcomes do folks sometimes see?

Dr. Bawa: Oh my goodness, I’ve a YouTube channel, Bawa Medical, and one of many movies I posted nearly per week in the past is a couple of gentleman who is nearly 69. His girlfriend is 4 months older than him they usually’re having the perfect intercourse of their lives. They’ve each had remedies from us. The gents had GAINSWave and he says that, , they’re having intercourse no less than as soon as a day, if not twice a day. And generally they’ve nooners. That to me is inspirational for anyone half his age, not to mention anyone who’s virtually 70 years previous. So are we seeing outcomes? We’re completely seeing outcomes. We’re altering lives. What we do is transformational. At my observe, I’m giving them a brand new lease on life. It doesn’t matter what age you might be. When you’ve got an issue, there’s no level in denying it, settle for it, discover assist, and reside your finest life. Have you learnt that 20% of males of their 20s endure from erectile dysfunction? No one thinks that the 20s may carry dysfunction, however it’s completely true. It’s a identified truth throughout the scientific neighborhood that 20% of males of their 20s have it, 30% of their 30s, 40% of their 40s. It simply goes up about 10% per decade of life.

Now, such as you stated, we don’t all the time have these research in ladies. There’s a glass ceiling for ladies and never simply within the workforce, sadly. We are sometimes blown off, we’re known as histrionic, hysterical, , hysteria, the idea of hysteria, , if you look again at how the time period started, it’s very denigrating to ladies. So I’m not right here to say that…, I’m not right here for a ladies’s lib dialogue, I’m simply right here to say that girls, we don’t all the time have the research for us, we don’t all the time have the statistics for us, however now we’ve choices and we should always go make the most of them. Do that for yourselves. Get some assist. There’s assist on the market.

Katie: And I do know that it’s been a comparatively dramatic shift, these decline in hormone ranges and the rise in ED, even in younger males. And I do know we see low testosterone, even in younger males. I’ve even seen some statistics that males usually may have a 3rd of the testosterone their grandfathers did on the similar age. And to me, that speaks to the truth that we all know that we’ve had huge environmental modifications which are resulting in a few of these issues. Our meals provide has modified. So now it turns into necessary to be extra proactive. When we’ve extra damaging inputs that we’ve to cope with, we’ve to develop into extra proactive in counteracting these issues. And to circle again to what you stated too about weight-reduction plan as nicely, and consuming a balanced, nutritious diet and never coming from a spot of deprivation, I feel that’s one thing that uniquely impacts ladies extra as nicely due to weight-reduction plan tradition and due to a few of these issues we talked about early on.

And it looks like many ladies wrestle with the mindset of having the ability to nourish their our bodies sufficient and having the ability to eat sufficient diversified meals to essentially really help our physique. So I like that you simply introduced that up as a result of that’s one thing I’ve stated on right here earlier than is we’ve to shift that mindset once more, with mindset being so necessary away from like meals is dangerous. There’s guilt hooked up to meals. I must weight-reduction plan and be thinner, to I like and settle for my physique, how can I nourish it to one of the best ways potential? How do I help it? How do I help its pure processes of detoxing, of anti-aging? Our our bodies are so unbelievable in what they will do, they simply want just a little bit extra help in at present’s world as a result of they’re dealing with greater than they’ve up to now.

Dr. Bawa: Completely. Now, I hope I can contact on…you stated so many fantastic issues. I want I used to be writing as a result of… And I’m going to return as soon as we document this and truly discuss this alone social media platforms as a result of what you stated is profound. Now you introduced up dropping testosterone ranges. Have you learnt that sleep deprivation in males is inflicting decrease fertility, decrease testosterone ranges? Once more, that’s one thing folks don’t discuss. It’s not a horny subject, however it’s true. Sleep deprivation is inflicting that. Now you stated earlier about…you stated one thing easy, you stated, I do know that sleep and hydration are quite simple. Sure, they’re easy, however they’re so profound. Should you don’t get sufficient sleep, you could have decrease fertility. So when you could have decrease fertility, that impacts so many alternative points of your life, and that’s only one instance of what sleep deprivation does.

So then you definitely talked about, , different modifications which are occurring, different issues which are occurring with tradition, the place we’re made to really feel lower than. Now, I used to be a measurement 0-2 once I was identified with most cancers, I’m in all probability a measurement 6 proper now. And I’m not being laborious on myself. I’m not depriving myself. Don’t get me flawed, I’m not consuming your entire bread basket. But when I desire a slice of bread, I’m consuming it. I’m not ingesting a ton of alcohol, but when I’d like a glass of wine, I’m permitting myself a glass of wine sometimes. I feel we must be kinder to ourselves as ladies and as males. I feel society may be very robust on us. I feel there’s this complete idea of superficial magnificence. And that’s why I went to Miss Florida as a result of I used to be combating that idea of conventional magnificence. I went at my heaviest. I went once I was nonetheless swollen from my mastectomy. I used to be nonetheless, , coping with fluid retention. I feel the idea of magnificence must be modified. Magnificence must be present in no matter stage you’re in. And it’s not about others making you’re feeling lovely, that feeling wants to return from inside.

I perceive that society must be kinder to folks going by struggles. I get that. And that’s a given. However that energy wants to return from inside us. If you look in that mirror, you might want to see somebody lovely, somebody sturdy, somebody who has persevered. We’ve got all gone by struggles in life. We’re all winners in our personal manner. I could have gone to medical college. I could put on a protracted white coat. My successes are completely different than your successes. We’re the one ones who know what a hero we’re and we have to really feel that. That’s what I need to do, encourage folks to feeling and being their finest. It wants to return from inside actually.

Katie: Yeah, I agree. That was an necessary mindset shift for me as a result of such as you, I struggled with the bodily modifications of thyroid illness and simply of getting six infants in 9 years. It was quite a bit for my physique to course of. And the mindset piece, I’ve talked about this just a little bit earlier than on this podcast, however issues didn’t actually begin shifting bodily till I addressed that mindset piece. And once I may take a look at the mirror and discover love and acceptance for myself, it turned a lot simpler to function from a spot of nourishing my physique as a substitute of combating it and loving it as a substitute of depriving it. And that made the entire distinction. I feel you’re proper, that like that magnificence has to return and that appreciation and that love and acceptance and pleasure has to return from inside. And as ladies, that additionally offers us the power to be that for different folks as nicely. However it may well’t come from a spot of not having it for us to start with. And a few extra notes I had on my present notes I wanna ensure that we contact on, I’ve learn and heard about ladies affected by one thing known as anorgasmia, which appears to be on the rise as nicely. Are you able to clarify why that’s occurring? And whether it is on the rise, why you assume it may be on the rise proper now, after which how ladies can handle that?

Dr. Bawa: There are numerous explanation why ladies are having issues orgasming. For one, I don’t know that many people understand that solely 18% of girls can orgasm from vaginal intercourse, from the penetration itself. So there are various things at play right here. One, we have to make our companions conscious that oral stimulation or exterior stimulation is extra necessary. We have to have higher vaginal well being, on the whole. Like I stated, we have to carry higher blood movement into the realm to get up our nerves, to get up our blood vessels. I feel individuals who have anorgasmia or who’ve painful intercourse…these are two completely different points. Some persons are having painful intercourse. Some persons are not having painful intercourse, however they’re getting nowhere when they’re having intercourse. There are numerous parts to this. So I feel wellness as a complete is gonna contribute to it after which schooling that there’s a drawback. It’s okay to have that drawback. And it’s okay to talk about that drawback. If you handle it along with your physician and also you inform your physician, “Hear, I’ve no sensation. I’m not getting there,” then I feel there are just a few necessary parts to this.

That you must communicate to a therapist. There are therapists who specialise in sexual remedy and sexual wellness, they usually may help you with this. On the subject of the physique itself, there are docs like me who do FemiWave, who do hormone balancing, who will assist you with the O-Shot and make you extra orgasmic. So there are completely different instruments that you might want to assist your self with. Once more, it’s not only one factor, I want there was only one factor, however there are a bunch of issues you are able to do to assist your self. They usually all contribute. I feel all of them work collectively higher synergistically and any considered one of them by themselves. So I feel there’s quite a bit on the market. We simply must get that assist.

Katie: And I feel having the dialog, I do know like all sexual well being subject is just a little bit taboo and, like, I feel it raises eyebrows each time I discuss it on right here, however I feel the dialog can also be crucial as a result of we all know that that’s tied into total well being. And to your level, I feel it is a subject that isn’t talked about sufficient, particularly for ladies. We definitely see all of the commercials for all of these points for males. And it looks like when males have a wrestle with that, it turns into an important, imminent factor to repair. However ladies, I really feel like usually are extra hesitant to speak about it or really feel like one thing’s flawed with them and really feel disgrace round it. And to your level, I didn’t understand it was that drastic of a statistic, however for a lot of ladies, simply penetrative intercourse usually isn’t sufficient, however that’s one thing that they really feel dangerous speaking about or they really feel like they’re not regular due to that. And so I feel opening the dialog and letting them understand that there are alternatives and issues that may assist a lot, however even simply beginning that dialog and taking that disgrace and that societal notion away from it’s such an necessary first step for ladies. And I’m so glad we’re in a time when there are issues like this accessible and we’re beginning to lastly have this dialog.

Dr. Bawa: Completely. Now I get in bother generally on my social media although. I’ve very dignified posts. I’m not displaying something that’s specific. I imply, my posts aren’t pornographic, however even Instagram and Fb will generally take my posts off as a result of I discussed intercourse or one thing sexual. Now, I’m a medical physician, I’m not doing something inappropriate, however there may be disgrace even to that extent. Now let me inform you one thing completely unbelievable. I made a decision to take my kids on a trip and shut the workplace for per week and my assistant went on a trip along with her household. We consider in having a life at Bawa Medical, we’re allowed to go on trip. We closed down our workplace and we received an answering service to reply our calls in order that sufferers may no less than make and alter appointments whereas we had been gone for simply 5 enterprise days.

Have you learnt that I received a name as soon as I used to be already in one other city from my answering service they usually stated to me, “Sorry, Dr. Bawa, we all know we talked to you and we set this complete account up, however we can’t reply your calls as a result of some folks name for vaginal rejuvenation, and that’s an inappropriate subject.” I stated, “Are you critical? Vaginal rejuvenation is inappropriate?” We’re not calling a porn channel, we’re not calling, , “Hustler” or “Playboy.” These are, , folks calling the physician’s workplace. Why is that this taboo? They usually stated, “Nicely, it’s embarrassing and it’s inappropriate.” I stated, “What about vaginal well being is inappropriate to you?” And these had been ladies telling me this. So, I used to be horrified, horrified that in at present’s day and age, within the yr 2021, my answering service decides to not take my calls as a result of I supply vaginal rejuvenation and that’s offensive to them. So there must be a mindset shift right here.

Katie: I agree. That’s form of astounding that sufferers contact their precise physician a couple of medical drawback…like, to me that will be the identical as like much like a pregnant lady attempting to name her OB and being informed, “Oh, I’m sorry, we will’t discuss that as a result of your vagina is concerned.” Like, that’s astounding to me.

Dr. Bawa: I simply…, my head was spinning. I nonetheless bear in mind I used to be getting out of a cab in Philadelphia and I stated, “What a part of that is inappropriate? What a part of that is dangerous? Please clarify to me.” I actually requested the girl, I stated, “Ma’am with all due respect, do you could have a vagina? Do you ever discover that you simply need assistance from a physician on your vagina? I don’t anticipate you to reply that query,” I stated to her, “however how are you going to deny ladies the chance to make appointments for his or her vaginal well being?” So, I could offer you a small instance of the answering service, however it signifies an even bigger difficulty. It’s not okay to speak about it most often. Why? We’re all men and women, I imply, sexual well being is necessary. We’re all in a scenario the place we’ve the appropriate to have good, intimate wellness and to not be informed that it’s dangerous or soiled or upsetting to the common one that’s listening to us. Why is it upsetting to folks? What are we speaking about that’s inappropriate?

If it’s okay to speak about cardiac well being, why is it inappropriate to speak about sexual well being? Why is intercourse a grimy phrase? If it wasn’t for intercourse, you and I’d not be alive at present. It’s not essentially a foul factor. And why ought to we be denied high quality of life? A great intercourse life results in a greater relationship, results in a greater high quality of life. Should you don’t dribble urine if you train, you aren’t gonna have higher cardiac well being. I imply, it’s an even bigger difficulty than simply about your vagina and your bladder.

That’s why I say that what we do at Bawa Medical is so transformational as a result of we remodel lives. And that’s why I feel that this must cease being such a taboo subject, that Instagram must cease deleting my posts once I discuss it, that YouTube must cease sending me, , little emails warning me in regards to the content material I’m placing out. Why am I being known as an issue baby as a result of I’m specializing in an issue that we’re all dealing with? So, a lot of this, there must be a shift in how we take into consideration this. It must be okay to speak. And that’s why I’m so completely satisfied you’re speaking about it.

Katie: Nicely, and also you’re so proper. I feel that the dialog is so necessary. And for ladies simply to listen to that simply because these issues are frequent, it doesn’t imply they need to be regular, or definitely that they need to expertise them. I’ve had six infants, 5 of them got here out vaginally and I don’t dribble urine once I train or soar on a trampoline or sneeze. That doesn’t need to be a factor. I feel many ladies assume that’s only a factor that occurs when you could have youngsters, however it doesn’t need to be. I feel beginning the dialog is step one towards it.

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And likewise a theme from this complete interview has been the mindset piece. And I feel that’s additionally an space the place there’s a lot alternative for all of us, however particularly ladies on the subject of these matters actually to have the ability to develop and enhance as a result of there’s a lot tied up in that.

And I’ve a notice in my present notes that in case you had been going to offer a TED Speak, it might be on why you shouldn’t let adversity beat you down and that mindset piece. And I like that regardless of all of your experience within the medical world, that that’s the factor that brings…is crucial to you. So I’d love to listen to just a little bit extra about that as a result of I feel you’re proper, mindset permeates by every part and is so, so necessary. So, I’d simply love to listen to just a little little bit of your perspective on that, having been by adversity and never letting it beat you down.

Dr. Bawa: You already know, every part about who I’m at present has been as a result of I made a decision to beat adversity. I used to be a sufferer of…and I don’t discuss this often, and I’m going to attempt to not choke up about it as I discuss it, however abuse, abuses and…and right here I am going once more. Abuse is one thing that’s a giant deal. Abuse is one thing that goes throughout all academic, monetary limitations. I used to be a sufferer of quite a lot of emotional, home abuse and ultimately bodily abuse as nicely. And also you wouldn’t assume that a physician in my scenario would cope with that, however I did. I overcame that. I’m not in that scenario anymore, it lasted a few years. I received’t go into a lot element about it, however the level is it was a couple of mindset. One thing needed to change and I made a change. Most cancers, one thing needed to change, it couldn’t simply be about illness. It couldn’t simply be about vomiting. It couldn’t simply be about shedding hair. I needed to make it one thing that helped me develop into an even bigger individual, a greater individual. And I had to make use of my most cancers and my adversity to be a greater physician.

So, I’ve determined that it doesn’t matter what occurs to me in life, I’m going to make use of something damaging that occurs to me to assist me develop in no matter form or type that may be, to indicate my sons, who’re my world, that life just isn’t in regards to the negativity that occurs to us, it’s about what we select to do to rework it. And that’s why I feel that if I used to be to ever give a TED Speak, I hope to sometime, you by no means know, it might be about beating adversity. Like, I discussed about Miss Florida, it was by no means a couple of pageant. It was a a lot greater factor than only a pageant. It was about redefining mindset of a most cancers affected person. It was about redefining the thought of magnificence in most cancers as a result of most cancers just isn’t presupposed to be lovely, proper? That’s not how we’re raised to consider it. Most cancers is one thing that makes you lower than your self. You lose your hair, you lose your pores and skin, you achieve weight, you drop extra pounds, however both manner, you’re not at your finest. So we assume that which means we’re not lovely. No, you might be simply as lovely if no more so as a result of now you could have overcome yet one more factor. So, adversity is one thing that helps me reside a greater life. It doesn’t make sense, it’s virtually oxymoronic when you concentrate on adversity and higher life, however that’s how I select to see it. Adversity for me is a chance for additional progress.

Katie: I totally agree having been by trauma in my previous as nicely, I can now…I feel it takes some work and emotional shifts to get there, however I can now look again and have gratitude for all the teachings that got here from that and the issues that it allowed me to do and such as you, to assist different folks by that have and thru that story. Similar factor with my thyroid. I by no means would have cared a lot for well being had I not been given a cause. And I’m so grateful that that shift occurred. I feel you’re completely proper that that mindset piece is so necessary and that it isn’t what occurs to us, it’s how we select to interpret that, reply to that, and develop from that or not as a result of we definitely all the time have that selection as nicely. For me personally, one of many books that was useful in that was known as “The Untethered Soul,” and it helped me to course of a few of these feelings. And that’s one other query I like to ask at this level in interviews is that if there’s a ebook or plenty of books which have had a profound influence in your life or your journey, and if that’s the case, what they’re and why?

Dr. Bawa: I feel a ebook that all the time comes up in my thoughts once I’m requested a query about books or a ebook that has modified me is a ebook known as “Outliers.” Outlier is a ebook written by Malcolm Gladwell about achievement and failure and what defines a winner, how the winners are often outliers on the tip of that spectrum a technique or one other, and what number of instances it’s a must to do one thing to succeed, to develop into good at it. And I feel that it’s a lot about perseverance and about rising above the common, above the norm that I feel is a ebook that actually helps me proceed my journey in the direction of self-improvement, in the direction of reaching excessive requirements. I’m a excessive achiever. It doesn’t matter what I do in life, I don’t settle for mediocrity. Mediocrity to me is a four-letter phrase. “It doesn’t matter what you do,” my father as soon as stated to me, once I was about 5 years previous, “if you wish to be a chef, have Michelin stars after your title. If you wish to be a physician, be the perfect you will be.” So it’s not about what you do, it’s about excelling at it. You already know, if you wish to be anyone who does desserts for a dwelling, be Sylvia Weinstock. There’s greatness to be achieved in every part. In order that’s, , one thing that I feel “Outliers” helped me define in my very own life.

Katie: That’s lovely. I like that. And I’ll, after all, put hyperlinks to your observe and to some submit regarding among the matters we’ve talked about at present for any of you guys listening, particularly if you’re within the Florida space and need to discover Dr. Bawa and study. These hyperlinks will probably be there. However any parting recommendation for our listeners at present, whether or not it’s on mindset or well being or any of the matters we’ve mentioned?

Dr. Bawa: I feel if I may really give two items of recommendation in case you’ll let me, I feel I’d wish to say two issues. Firstly, ladies, please go get examined, do month-to-month exams. They’re not simply one thing in a textbook, they save lives. They saved mine. So be higher advocates for yourselves, that is necessary. If there’s one thing flawed, go discover assist. And in case your physician blows you off, blow the physician off, discover one other physician who will take heed to you. Secondly, I’d say, I consider in high quality of life, be it in your sexual well being, be it in what you see if you look within the mirror. Should you’re not completely satisfied along with your hair, do one thing to make your hair higher. There may be assist on the market. Should you’re not having the perfect intercourse of your life, do one thing to make your self have the perfect intercourse of your life. Whether or not it’s balancing your hormones, whether or not it’s doing one thing like FemiWave, whether or not it’s, , doing one thing nutritionally. No matter it’s that you simply’re not proud of, don’t be complacent. So a lot of my sufferers say, “Nicely, I’m not that dangerous but.” That idea is mindless to me. Why would you wait until that time? Why would you wait until your life within the bed room is a whole catastrophe earlier than you make it higher?

Why not go do one thing like FemiWave, as an illustration, the place it’s received no downtime, it’s not painful? Do one thing for your self. Should you’re having points along with your hormones and also you’re having sizzling flashes, communicate to your physician about optimizing your hormones. Try this. So, I feel, reside your finest life, no matter which means to you. In no matter form or type you may elevate your existence, do it.

Katie: I like that. And I feel that sums up quite a lot of what we talked about at present and is an ideal place to wrap up. However I’m very grateful on your time at present. I’m very grateful that you’ve recovered, and also you’re thriving, and that you simply’re serving to many different folks do the identical. Thanks for being right here.

Dr. Bawa: Thanks a lot for having me. This was fantastic.

Katie: And thanks as all the time to you, guys, for listening, for sharing your most precious belongings, your time and vitality, and a spotlight with us at present. We’re each so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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